tuesday afternoon

[deepest_magic]

Elizabeth's house is within walking distance. Bella goes over to it the following day, after lunch, carrying two extra clumsily-frosted but perfectly baked cupcakes in her hands and notebooks in her backpack.

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[neverbeatme]

"Interesting. Why?"

[deepest_magic]

"Well, it's either true or not true, and you either know it or you don't, and I don't think you being evil affects those odds either way - I don't think evil people know more or fewer things, or that you being evil would make it likelier or less likely that there's a way to find out about it for sure or vice versa. Well, maybe vice versa, if there were a way to find out and you knew it and decided not to be evil since somebody could find out if you were, but that's not a very big slice of maybe. But whether it's true or not and whether you know or not, you would want me to think I couldn't know for sure, if you were actually evil. ...No, that's not quite right, is it, because maybe you could make up a test and then pass it, so I take it back."

[neverbeatme]

"The thing that I am that makes me say that is 'cynical'," she says, helpfully.

[deepest_magic]

"People call me cynical sometimes. I'm not sure if I agree with them."

[neverbeatme]

"Why do they say it, and why aren't you sure if you agree?"

[deepest_magic]

"They usually say it when I talk about people wanting things and getting them by trading off other things. I don't really know why, though, so I can't follow their reasoning and see if it's right."

[neverbeatme]

"Well, tell me more and I'll see if I can figure it out."

[deepest_magic]

"I'd have to look in old notebooks for really accurate reconstructions of cases... Renée said it once when she explained why we have secret ballots. I said that they only worked for their stated purpose if the people who might be bullied into voting certain ways really believed they weren't being watched and it just being against the law to watch them might not work completely. Or something like that. I'd have to look it up."

[neverbeatme]

"That is a cynical thing to say. But it's not wrong."

[deepest_magic]

"Why is there a mean-sounding word for saying things that include things that aren't wrong? Do people not like to be right or something?" asks Bella with the tone of someone who has asked similar questions many times and never gotten a satisfactory answer.

[neverbeatme]

"Cynical and idealistic aren't inherently related to right and wrong," says Elizabeth. "But kids aren't supposed to be cynical because we're not supposed to know any horrible things about the world yet."

[deepest_magic]

"Then why did she even tell me about why we have secret ballots? The horrible things about that are pretty obvious. And if she'd just patted me on the head and said 'never you mind' then I might have been mad but I couldn't have done a whole lot about it if no grownups were willing to tell me."

[neverbeatme]

"Just because people think things should be a certain way, doesn't necessarily mean they're good at making them turn out like that. Especially because a lot of this stuff is things people assume without really thinking about how it happens."

[deepest_magic]

"People," says Bella expressively.

[neverbeatme]

"Yep," says Elizabeth. "Also, you're being cynical again. But then, so am I."

[deepest_magic]

Bella giggles.

[neverbeatme]

Elizabeth grins.

[deepest_magic]

"Maybe people will be less surprised by it when I am older."

[neverbeatme]

"They probably will," she says. "But it might take a while."

[deepest_magic]

"And there are probably no rules at all for how cynical immortal people are supposed to be."

[neverbeatme]

"Depends. If you were ten years old forever, I bet you'd just keep getting trouble over it."

[deepest_magic]

"I could look ten years old forever, but I couldn't be ten years old forever," says Bella. "I suppose my brain could quit growing, which would be bad, but as long as I could still learn things it wouldn't be all that bad. And I would have forever to figure out how to not look ten, if that was a drawback of however I was immortal that needed to be fixed."

[neverbeatme]

"I mean 'be' as in physically, not chronologically. Looking ten years old would be the thing that'd confuse people, but only because they'd be assuming that you'd only lived for ten years and your brain and body worked like a ten-year-old's. Probably if your brain and body worked like a ten-year-old's forever, people would want you to keep being all cute and innocent and stuff even when they found out how old you really were; I don't know how they'd feel about it if you were an adult who just looked ten."

[deepest_magic]

"I don't think anyone really knows how much of ten year old brains working different is because they need to physically grow more and how much of it is because the people who live in them have all only been around for ten years," says Bella thoughtfully. "I mean - how would you check?"

[neverbeatme]

"There are developmental differences and stuff. But yeah, I don't think there's a way to get adults with ten-year-old brains and ten-year-olds with adult brains, at least not ethically."